16 Replies to “The trouble with institutional repositories”

  1. As well as the bad interfaces and the lack of an academic culture promoting the use of Institutional Repositories in many places, I’ve always felt a little uncertainty about whether I’m *allowed* to use them, in the sense that the transfer of copyright language and prerequisites for publication that many journals use can make things blurry.

    It can take some work to dig into journal policies and determine if they allow me to lodge a pre-edited manuscript (or post-print) in an Institutional repo without breaking their rules … ie, you wouldn’t want to pass up the possibility of a Cell paper by lodging a pre-print in an Institutional repo, arXiv or Nature Preceedings prior to peer-reviewed publication … and since there is no ‘impact factor’ associated with an Institutional repo lodgment, why even risk it ? It’s a shame but this is the view of many of my colleagues.

    In addition to streamlining things at the technology side, I think it would be great to have a single tabular summary of journals/publishers that are ‘Green Route’ Open Access friendly … this way there would be no confusion – authors would immediately know what they could do with their pre- and post-print manuscript

    — Pre-submission edit :) —
    Just finishing the comment and found (almost) exactly what I was suggesting .. http://romeo.eprints.org/ , which lists Green Route friendly journals (of which most journal are). Now I have no excuses for not lodging pre- or post-prints of my articles … not sure how to go about a wider cultural change though. Maybe in this case a technological change could help the culture along ?

  2. As well as the bad interfaces and the lack of an academic culture promoting the use of Institutional Repositories in many places, I’ve always felt a little uncertainty about whether I’m *allowed* to use them, in the sense that the transfer of copyright language and prerequisites for publication that many journals use can make things blurry.

    It can take some work to dig into journal policies and determine if they allow me to lodge a pre-edited manuscript (or post-print) in an Institutional repo without breaking their rules … ie, you wouldn’t want to pass up the possibility of a Cell paper by lodging a pre-print in an Institutional repo, arXiv or Nature Preceedings prior to peer-reviewed publication … and since there is no ‘impact factor’ associated with an Institutional repo lodgment, why even risk it ? It’s a shame but this is the view of many of my colleagues.

    In addition to streamlining things at the technology side, I think it would be great to have a single tabular summary of journals/publishers that are ‘Green Route’ Open Access friendly … this way there would be no confusion – authors would immediately know what they could do with their pre- and post-print manuscript

    — Pre-submission edit :) —
    Just finishing the comment and found (almost) exactly what I was suggesting .. http://romeo.eprints.org/ , which lists Green Route friendly journals (of which most journal are). Now I have no excuses for not lodging pre- or post-prints of my articles … not sure how to go about a wider cultural change though. Maybe in this case a technological change could help the culture along ?

  3. All online systems at institutions seem to be rather half-baked and lack the features of public services on the web (either because they just pay Microsoft to provide it, or they try to develop it in-house and don’t have the man-power). One solution would be to use an existing web-based service, e.g. upload videos to Youtube but have a branded homepage for your institution on there – some US universities do this for their lectures. It’s possible to integrate external sites with your own, e.g. Flickr provides a public API. See for example http://jonathan.rawle.org/gallery/edinburgh/ which is actually a set of photos on Flickr.

    But people still won’t want to use the institution’s preferred service. What if they are told to use Flickr, but prefer Picasa? They may also move institution and want to continue using their previous service. This comes back to using proper metadata. If there was a standard, open API, you could upload all your work to wherever you like, and it could then be aggregated automatically by the institution’s web server.

  4. All online systems at institutions seem to be rather half-baked and lack the features of public services on the web (either because they just pay Microsoft to provide it, or they try to develop it in-house and don’t have the man-power). One solution would be to use an existing web-based service, e.g. upload videos to Youtube but have a branded homepage for your institution on there – some US universities do this for their lectures. It’s possible to integrate external sites with your own, e.g. Flickr provides a public API. See for example http://jonathan.rawle.org/gallery/edinburgh/ which is actually a set of photos on Flickr.

    But people still won’t want to use the institution’s preferred service. What if they are told to use Flickr, but prefer Picasa? They may also move institution and want to continue using their previous service. This comes back to using proper metadata. If there was a standard, open API, you could upload all your work to wherever you like, and it could then be aggregated automatically by the institution’s web server.

  5. One simple solution is to just give your institution your FriendFeed account and have them archive the stuff they think is appropriate. I agree, I tend not to use my institution’s repository for the same reasons you listed.

  6. One simple solution is to just give your institution your FriendFeed account and have them archive the stuff they think is appropriate. I agree, I tend not to use my institution’s repository for the same reasons you listed.

  7. Andrew, The concern you are voicing is a much wider issue about tracking down what rules are as well as the fact that there is a significant amount of bullying that goes on to prevent people exercising their legal rights. It is very difficult in many cases (although by no means all) to find out what the rules are. Romeo helps but there are other problems with pre and post publication for which helpful servers are not available.

    Jonathon, I think that such a standard, open, ‘API’ exists. Its called Google. The only real issue is one of telling people apart and this can be sorted reasonably easily with OpenID and similar things – or at least will be reasonably easy to sort in a it of time. And as Jean-Claude says, there are plenty of aggregators (of course someone will want to use a different aggregator because they don’t like friendfeed).

    In an age of open data it doesn’t matter where it is at all. As long as it is discoverable and accessible (and has clear licences on it) then the rest can (hopefully) be taken care of.

  8. Andrew, The concern you are voicing is a much wider issue about tracking down what rules are as well as the fact that there is a significant amount of bullying that goes on to prevent people exercising their legal rights. It is very difficult in many cases (although by no means all) to find out what the rules are. Romeo helps but there are other problems with pre and post publication for which helpful servers are not available.

    Jonathon, I think that such a standard, open, ‘API’ exists. Its called Google. The only real issue is one of telling people apart and this can be sorted reasonably easily with OpenID and similar things – or at least will be reasonably easy to sort in a it of time. And as Jean-Claude says, there are plenty of aggregators (of course someone will want to use a different aggregator because they don’t like friendfeed).

    In an age of open data it doesn’t matter where it is at all. As long as it is discoverable and accessible (and has clear licences on it) then the rest can (hopefully) be taken care of.

  9. On the cultural side, our experience has been that expediting collaboration with clients is the driver. When the tool is easy to use, avoids sneakering of large datasets, allows for documents, images, and spreadsheets to be handled all together – truly accelerating the discussion and progress- nobody complains.

  10. On the cultural side, our experience has been that expediting collaboration with clients is the driver. When the tool is easy to use, avoids sneakering of large datasets, allows for documents, images, and spreadsheets to be handled all together – truly accelerating the discussion and progress- nobody complains.

  11. Rich, that is a great post – hadn’t seen it before. But so very true and a good way of thinking about how to build useful and used services.

  12. Rich, that is a great post – hadn’t seen it before. But so very true and a good way of thinking about how to build useful and used services.

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