In reply to N J Morris.

Hi Nick

Thanks for the comment and I'll put a link in. I agree that we had to skip over some definitional stuff but we could have spent the whole hour on terminology and that didn't seem worthwhile. I have spent days discussing what outputs, outcomes, and impact mean. I definitely take on board that those concepts didn't get across though and I'll accept the blame for not setting that out better.
I will note however that I took that absolute opposite meaning from Mari's remarks (and from discussions I know I'm on more or less the right track) that the RCs are desperately interested in all sorts of other kinds of outputs. They don't know what, where, how good these are and they want to know. That's exactly my point. The audience had the opportunity to talk about what those are, how they might be measured but no-one seemed to want to take that opportunity. Believe me there is interest at the highest level in getting better informed on this if for no other reason than they make great case studies for documents sent to ministers...